New Smoking Ban in Bangor, Maine
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I agree to a point but here is the thing. That ban was put in place to protect the work staff that needs the job so they can pay their bill but not have to get sick at the same time. If your working in that field you can't exactly be picky about it and say, "Oh, I'm not taking that job because they allow smoking" Business baned smoking years ago for that very reason. You as a non smoker shouldn't have to sit in your cube breathing in Joe Shmo smoke in the cube next to you then go home stinking. They can still smoke at work but outside.
So that goes back to the ban on smoking in a car with a child in it. The child (anyone under 12/13) can't say I'm not going with said parent because they are smoking.
So that goes back to the ban on smoking in a car with a child in it. The child (anyone under 12/13) can't say I'm not going with said parent because they are smoking.
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She is moving right along. She finally got released from Mass General yesterday so she is at a rehabilitation facility in Waterville, Maine. (Like 45 mins. south of me) We were in Boston 20 days!! Her short-term memory isn't quite up to par yet but her long term is better than mine is 
. She's really weak so she'll get a lot of physical rehab to build her strength back up - and some speech therapy to sharpen her short-term memory. In a couple weeks she can get released - FOR GOOD - and I'm going to have her stay with me until she is back 100%.
. She's really weak so she'll get a lot of physical rehab to build her strength back up - and some speech therapy to sharpen her short-term memory. In a couple weeks she can get released - FOR GOOD - and I'm going to have her stay with me until she is back 100%.
It's funny Jess, take me back about 15 years ago when I was closer to your age and I had pretty much the same views. As I got older (and it will for you too) your views on things change. I have a big problem with kids that come to Girl Scouts and stink of smoke because the parents were smoking with them in the car/house. Why should a child smell of smoke...and if they smell of smoke it means they were breathing it as well. I'm not saying we should tell people how to raise their children and if you think about it smoking is a personal choice and has nothing to do with how someone is raising a child. It's kind of like wearing plad...bad fasion statement but nothing do do with raising a child.
Going to far would be when they start taking kids away from parents that smoke.
Going to far would be when they start taking kids away from parents that smoke.
Jeez... first they say you can't drink Jack Daniels while driving because "it's dangerous to others," now you can't smoke while driving because it's also "dangrous to others." What a bunch of commies! [/satire]
Your rights only go as far until they infringe upon the rights of others. The rights of non-smokers [kids in this case] being protected to not be afflicted by smoke is the point of non-smoking laws.
'Smokers rights' come second, not because of the health danger stuff, but under a 'normal condition' that smoke is not present - so it is in normal rights that people do not have to be in contact with it.
Your rights only go as far until they infringe upon the rights of others. The rights of non-smokers [kids in this case] being protected to not be afflicted by smoke is the point of non-smoking laws.
'Smokers rights' come second, not because of the health danger stuff, but under a 'normal condition' that smoke is not present - so it is in normal rights that people do not have to be in contact with it.
Wow kelly this is by far one of the dumbest things Bangor has done yet!!!!!! i got more of a kick out of reading all the comments to it than the article itself!!!! lol i do smoke in the car with my kids, BUT my widows are always down and i always have the fan on so the majority of it goes right out the window anyhow, i even being a smoker, cant stand second hand smoke, it makes my sick, but i know that i can safly smoke in the car without KILLING my kids in doing so, most of the people i know that smoke keep their windows down when smoking anyways so, does it realy affect most kids? im so glad i dont live up there anymore!!! lol and im even more glad i went to brewer schools than Bangor LOL
Well, that would probably infringe on the rights of smokers. IMO, they have the right to smoke wherever they want, so long as it doesn't infringe upon anyone else (which is why it is banned in many public places).
Besides, look how heavily cigarettes are taxed. The gov. wouldn't ban something that is a major source of income. That'd just lead to black-market cigarettes that the gov. collected no tax from.
Besides, look how heavily cigarettes are taxed. The gov. wouldn't ban something that is a major source of income. That'd just lead to black-market cigarettes that the gov. collected no tax from.
One of my best friends is also a smoker (has smoked since we were in Jr high) and smokes with her kid in the car. She says the same thing that she has the window open but her kid still smells like smoke when her kid gets out of the car she still smells like smoke. No she on the other hand does not smoke in the house. Why can't people that smoke just smoke their butt before they get in the car and/or when they get out?
Just a question...in the winter do you (general you, not a directed you) smoke in the car with the window all the way down so your child freezes in the back seat while you get your fix or is it partly open.
I've also seen plenty of people that open the window 3 inches while smoking in the car with kids and I'm assuming they call that smoking with the windows open.
If someone is unhappy with their job for any reason then they need to go get a new one plain and simple. I don't care what the excuse is nobody has to work anywhere if they don't want to.
One more thing I'd like to mention is that ANY time the government makes a law prohibiting anything it needs to be closely scrutinized by all, even if you agree with it. We give our elected officials too much power to make decisions for us and our complacency will allow them to take everything away from us. (Sorry but I’ve been sick of the government for a while and I watched Children of Men last weekend and it scared the sh*t of me)
One more thing I'd like to mention is that ANY time the government makes a law prohibiting anything it needs to be closely scrutinized by all, even if you agree with it. We give our elected officials too much power to make decisions for us and our complacency will allow them to take everything away from us. (Sorry but I’ve been sick of the government for a while and I watched Children of Men last weekend and it scared the sh*t of me)
Yes, but at the time unless you worked in another profession and not wait staff (good wait staff makes a heck of a lot money) then you were doomed to breath in other peoples smoke because other than a couple of sections (and at one time they didn't even have those) restaruants and bars were all smoking. How do you find another job in your line of work that does not have a health hazard if everywhere you are qualified to work has the same health hazard? You should not have to change your line of work just to breath fresh air. So yes you could find another job or even change your line of work but you shouldn't have to. Breathing is not a right it is a necessity, smoking is not a necessity it a right. You (again a general you, not a directed you) have the right to smoke where ever and when ever as long as, I or anyone else doesn't have to while you do.
Don't be silly angelmom... I have the right to do whatever I want... it doesn't matter what's good for other people. I'm the only person who matters. How dare you suggest otherwise...
Kids? Who cares... If they don't want to breath toxic chemicals, they should just switch parents.
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You guys may be "scared" of the government "sticking their noses" in your business. Frankly, I'm sick of of this arrogant sense of self-entitlement most Americans have.
Kids? Who cares... If they don't want to breath toxic chemicals, they should just switch parents.
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You guys may be "scared" of the government "sticking their noses" in your business. Frankly, I'm sick of of this arrogant sense of self-entitlement most Americans have.
This law doesn't suprise me in the least, Last year in Madison WI, They passed law that prohibits smoking in bars, ALL bars, restaurants have been smoke free for some time now. I do agree with not smoking anywhere near children, I however would like to think most smoking parents have enough common sense to not do so, I'm probably giving more credit than is due...
This law is probably not far from being here as well.
This law is probably not far from being here as well.
Kind of like how I'm sick of lazy citizens that will give up all of their freedom for a little security. We are absolutely entitled to freedom especially if we work for it, if you haven't forgotten.
Also if waiters don’t want to deal with the smoke they can find a new job where they don’t have to or find a restaurant that does not allow it, that way everyone is happy. These people aren't victims. I've had jobs that I didn't like for a number of reasons and I've always found new work.
As for the kids they aren't yours to worry about.
Also if waiters don’t want to deal with the smoke they can find a new job where they don’t have to or find a restaurant that does not allow it, that way everyone is happy. These people aren't victims. I've had jobs that I didn't like for a number of reasons and I've always found new work.
As for the kids they aren't yours to worry about.
Aside from the smoking debate, (and carrying a machete on an airplane) what can you not do today that you could do 5 years ago? Eveyone is crying about all these 'freedoms' going away - I haven't seen life change one bit other than peoples perceptions.
Sometimes, someone else has to do the worrying.
Sometimes, someone else has to do the worrying.
I can't pick up certain OTC medications any more without signing legal documents and showing ID.
And those OTC are locked up after hours and on the weekends.
Which then makes them impossible to obtain until the pharmecy reopens.
No longer are some OTCs, OTC (from a certain point of view).
That changes my life quite a bit.
And those OTC are locked up after hours and on the weekends.
Which then makes them impossible to obtain until the pharmecy reopens.
No longer are some OTCs, OTC (from a certain point of view).
That changes my life quite a bit.
hyunelan2, I think he's talking about the time all the women stopped having babies and.... oh wait... that was a movie... Oh well, it's still a valid basis for an argument, right?
In case you didn't notice it up above, I am a small-government conservative. I don't want the government telling me what to do, and how to do it. I want the government to provide a reasonable level of protection, and a decent amount of infrastructure and then keep it's greedy mitts off what I make (as much as that's possible).
I certainly don't deny your (generic you...) freedom to smoke. It would be crazy for me (average citizen) to take away your right to smoke anywhere but on my property. If I were to walk up to you, forcibly remove your cigarette, and physically prevent you from lighting another, that would be a crime.
So... let's evaluate our priorities here... We feel that we are so entitled to a cigarette, that it doesn't matter in the slightest what effect it has on those around us.
Second hand smoke has a direct, verifiable, _immediate_ effect on those who are exposed to it (the symptoms aren't immediate, but the damage is).
So... to sum up... The right you are defending isn't the right to smoke, it's the right to expose your children to an atmosphere which _will_ (not "might") be hazardous to their health. Sound about right?
Like I said... arrogant self entitlement...
EDIT: GIS Guy, you have a "right" to buy OTC medications?
In case you didn't notice it up above, I am a small-government conservative. I don't want the government telling me what to do, and how to do it. I want the government to provide a reasonable level of protection, and a decent amount of infrastructure and then keep it's greedy mitts off what I make (as much as that's possible).
I certainly don't deny your (generic you...) freedom to smoke. It would be crazy for me (average citizen) to take away your right to smoke anywhere but on my property. If I were to walk up to you, forcibly remove your cigarette, and physically prevent you from lighting another, that would be a crime.
So... let's evaluate our priorities here... We feel that we are so entitled to a cigarette, that it doesn't matter in the slightest what effect it has on those around us.
Second hand smoke has a direct, verifiable, _immediate_ effect on those who are exposed to it (the symptoms aren't immediate, but the damage is).
So... to sum up... The right you are defending isn't the right to smoke, it's the right to expose your children to an atmosphere which _will_ (not "might") be hazardous to their health. Sound about right?
Like I said... arrogant self entitlement...
EDIT: GIS Guy, you have a "right" to buy OTC medications?