Welcome to MyFishTank.Net!

Have A Question? Join our awesome community today and it's free!

Tetra Safe Start

Discussion in 'FreshWater General Discussion' started by Thyra, Sep 27, 2010.

  1. Thyra

    Thyra Superstar Fish

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2010
    Messages:
    1,891
    Likes Received:
    0
    I copied the following from another forum. One of the moderators wrote to Tetra and it is a copy of her letter, plus Tetra's response. BTW it is $21 at Petsmart

    TO: TetraCare Customer Care Team

    Hi
    I belong to an on-line forum and several questions come up about the use
    of SafeStart.
    The directions on the bottle aren't very clear.
    Many members have had luck with it but some haven't.
    We'd love to be able to answer questions about it's use.
    If you could send step by step instructions so that I may pass them on,
    it would be great.

    Some of the more popular questions are:
    Will conditioners that detox ammonia effect SafeStart?
    If so, how and why?

    Do you add water, conditioner, SafeStart and fish all at once or should
    you:
    a) Add fish, wait a day to add Tetra SafeStart?
    b) Add Tetra SafeStart wait a day to add fish?
    c) Do you add your full stock of fish at once or start off with just a
    few?

    If you've already added fish and have an ammonia reading, will Tetra
    SafeStart still be effective?

    At what ammonia reading will Tetra SafeStart still be effective.

    Is there too high of a reading that would render Tetra SafeStart
    ineffective?
    What would that reading be?

    Can it be refrigerated without harming the bacteria?

    After adding Tetra SafeStart:
    How soon should you test the water and why?
    (I've heard it said you'll get high ammonia readings if you test within
    10 days of adding TSS. Isn't that harmful to the fish? If not, why?)

    How soon should you do a water change after adding the product and why?

    Does TSS effect the pH?

    What is the key to the success or failure of Tetra SafeStart?

    I'm sorry, I know I have a lot of questions but the forums goal is the
    same as yours, happy healthy fish.

    I appreciate your taking the time to address my questions.
    Feel free to add any other information you think would be pertinent to
    the success or failure of SafeStart.

    Thank you!



    Hi there,

    Wow, lots of questions! All are pretty simple, and we get them a lot
    too. I'll suggest marketing address them on our website, next time they
    update it. Out of curiosity, what forum is it?

    So...where to begin? First, ideally you should set up the tank, and let
    it run at least 24 hours, then, shortly before you head off to the store
    for your first fish, add TSS to the tank. Within two hours, you should
    add the fish. Our normal recommendation is to add one small fish per
    ten gallons of water. However, you CAN fully stock the tank, you just
    need to keep a close eye on it, and be sure to not complicate matters by
    overfeeding as well. We recommend this method for African cichlid tanks
    since it is best to fully stock such a tank from the beginning due to
    territorial issues. For a novice fish-keeper, we'd recommend the one
    small fish per ten gallons rule for the first two weeks. Within two
    weeks, TSS should have fully cycled the tank and they can start slowly
    adding more fish, one at a time.

    In regards to ammonia products, yes, they kill TSS. Any type, whether a
    chloramines remover or detoxifier, etc, anything that says it locks up
    ammonia or removes ammonia. Do not add TSS for 24 hours after using
    such a product, and do not add such a product for at least 7 days after
    using TSS. The bacteria is housed in a special stabilized solution of
    ammonia, so if you remove/lock up the ammonia, you remove all of the
    food the bacteria require to live.

    If you already have fish, and are having an ammonia issue, it is best to
    get the ammonia levels down to below 4.0. 4.0 and higher is just as
    toxic to TSS as it is to fish. While 2.0 -3.5 PPM ammonia may harm some
    of the TSS bacteria, it should still have some effect. You may want to
    do a second dose several days after adding the first one, if you are not
    seeing the results you want. Keep in mind, these are bacteria, not a
    chemical, so results are slow to see. Give the product at least 5-7
    days.

    Best temperature for TSS is between 40 and 80 degrees. Freezing and
    extreme heat will destroy it. Refrigeration is okay, but not necessary.

    You can test the water any time, but really, you should probably wait at
    least 48 hours. We expect TSS to start slowly seeding the tank, and
    making a difference in about that time. You have to have some ammonia
    occur in the tank to provide the cycle needed, so it will usually create
    levels or reduce levels to around 1.0-1.5 ppm, and they should stay
    there for a week to 14 days, and then come down. Sorry, these levels
    would be for both ammonia and nitrite. These are considered stress, but
    not toxic, levels, and should not cause any long term damage to the
    fish.

    We recommend waiting two weeks before a water change. Of course, if for
    some reason, the levels go up to a high level again, we would recommend
    a change at that point, and another dose. Usually, the hobbyist has
    done something wrong the first time, in such cases.

    Nope, bacteria should not affect the pH.

    Hmmm....be sure the levels are not already toxic, shake the container
    thoroughly, be sure to add the right dosage, do not use an ammonia
    detoxifying product, and be patient. It won't give you zero readings in
    an hour, like some folks think. By the way, carbon does not affect it
    but uv lights do...we get those questions too. :) And just an
    interesting point...the large aquariums, such as the Georgia Aquarium,
    and the Shedd Aquarium, as well as huge research labs in this country
    and other countries, also use TSS as well as the saltwater version Bio
    Spira.

    If I have not addressed all of your questions, please let me know.

    Regards,

    Tetra Care
    __________________________________________________ ______________
     


  2. Newman

    Newman Elite Fish

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2009
    Messages:
    4,668
    Likes Received:
    0
    thats informative...I personally refrigerate such products when i buy them.
     
  3. Thyra

    Thyra Superstar Fish

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2010
    Messages:
    1,891
    Likes Received:
    0
    I just want people to know that I happened to run across this on"Google" and thought it was good resource material because it had a source and it was also pretty straight forward if anyone was inclined to go that route.
     
  4. brian1973

    brian1973 Superstar Fish

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2008
    Messages:
    1,999
    Likes Received:
    3
    Thyra can you please post the link to that?
     
  5. Newman

    Newman Elite Fish

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2009
    Messages:
    4,668
    Likes Received:
    0
    yes you may want to include the author as well.
     
  6. brian1973

    brian1973 Superstar Fish

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2008
    Messages:
    1,999
    Likes Received:
    3
    I want to repost the info on another site but want to get permission from the original author if possible.. Thanks
     
  7. Thyra

    Thyra Superstar Fish

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2010
    Messages:
    1,891
    Likes Received:
    0
  8. Thyra

    Thyra Superstar Fish

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2010
    Messages:
    1,891
    Likes Received:
    0
    The point really is the response if from Tetra. The questions are from another forum and I came across the info on Google.
     
  9. Thyra

    Thyra Superstar Fish

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2010
    Messages:
    1,891
    Likes Received:
    0
    Sorry, maybe I am not saying it clearly. I wouldn't have copied it if it wasn't available on Google for everyone. I just happened to come across it when I was trying to find out more info about Tetra Save and I thought others might want a source for where the info came from. To me, it comes from the people who manufacture it and it seems to answer the questions ask. Its not copyright - its a source.
     
  10. Fishman1995

    Fishman1995 Superstar Fish

    Joined:
    May 11, 2010
    Messages:
    1,341
    Likes Received:
    0
    Thats awesome info Thyra, i may give it a try with my new tank :)
     
  11. Dylandrewsdad

    Dylandrewsdad Large Fish

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2010
    Messages:
    870
    Likes Received:
    0
    So does anyone use it? What are the typical results?
     
  12. Thyra

    Thyra Superstar Fish

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2010
    Messages:
    1,891
    Likes Received:
    0
    Just do a Google search or a search on any of the forums for "Tetra Safe Start". What I read was mostly positive and the ones that had problems didn't seem to be following directions on the bottle. You'd have to decide for yourself whether it was worth the expense. I suspect if you bought a kid an aquarium and then told them they couldn't have fish for "X" months, you'd buy a bottle.
     
  13. aakaakaak

    aakaakaak Superstar Fish

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2010
    Messages:
    1,324
    Likes Received:
    0
    Thyra, reposting something like that on a "not for profit" website like this one is completely fine. However, posting it to another site might not be completely okay depending on the site. If you'll look at the bottom of the Fishlore site you'll notice the little (c) for copyright. This means anything posted to their forum is copywritten and any information posted in a profitable capacity should get their permission first. Even if the site isn't copywritten it's proper internet etiquette to link back to the author.

    Also, sometimes threads like that can have additional information in the comments.

    Edit: I almost forgot. EXCELLENT FIND!
     
  14. Thyra

    Thyra Superstar Fish

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2010
    Messages:
    1,891
    Likes Received:
    0
    I'm sorry - I thought because I was on Google, it was public domain. As you noticed, the author didn't sign the letter, nor did the employee from Tetra. I did finally put the link back to Google where I found it. I figured if I just posted the link most people wouldn't bother to go back and look at it. Is there a way you feel I should remove the whole thing? (I don't know how to do that, but I suspect there is a way)
     
  15. aakaakaak

    aakaakaak Superstar Fish

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2010
    Messages:
    1,324
    Likes Received:
    0
    no no, there's no reason to remove anything. I know I went back and looked at the link myself. It's just always nice to know where things come from. Otherwise they turn into urban legend.
     
  16. Newman

    Newman Elite Fish

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2009
    Messages:
    4,668
    Likes Received:
    0
    lol you dont want yet another urban legend about these bacteria boosters. we could use more facts like these about them.
     
  17. Thyra

    Thyra Superstar Fish

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2010
    Messages:
    1,891
    Likes Received:
    0
    You know that is exactly what started this whole thing! I was trying to avoid starting an urban legend and because the answers were all from Tetra I assumed that was as close as I could come to the "real" scoop. I don't know what I am going to do with all this knowledge - now I have my daughter involved, (who is a civil engineer and quite up on contracts,etc.) lecturing me on copyrights, ethics and the internet. LOL
     
  18. brian1973

    brian1973 Superstar Fish

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2008
    Messages:
    1,999
    Likes Received:
    3
    Hey all I emailed seachem to get some info on both tetra safe start and their product stability. I am still waiting on a response back from Tetra.
    Seachem response.

    Hello Brian,

    Thank you for the email and for using Prime. Yes; Prime
    is "safe" to use with the Tetra Safe Start. However,
    whether the Tetra Safe Start will work efficiently in the
    presence of Prime is something you will have to ask the
    makers of that product. A good bacteria supplement should
    work regardless of what type of de-chlorinator you use.
    Prime is detoxifying the ammonia in the tank by binding
    with it, putting it in an inert state (ammonium) so that
    your tank inhabitants remain safe. It remains active for
    up to 48 hours, which gives the biological filter
    (bacteria) enough time to consume and utilize the ammonia.
    The bacteria in Stability will consume ammonia in either
    form (NH3 or NH4) and can function under a very broad
    range of parameters. Stability is a very unique bacteria
    supplement due to the fact that it is held in an dormant
    spore-like state while in the bottle, keeping the bacteria
    from becoming active before putting in the tank. Once you
    pour it into the tank, the inhibitor becomes diluted and
    the bacteria begin to metabolize, therefore, you are
    getting 100% viable bacteria. We highly recommend using
    Prime in conjunction with Stability. I hope this
    information was helpful and please let us know if you need
    any further assistance. Have a wonderful day!
     
  19. achase

    achase Large Fish

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2010
    Messages:
    765
    Likes Received:
    0
    This is very interesting! Although I find it strange that they recommend that you add a fish 2 hours after adding TSS. Is that so the bacteria have a food source or because the bacteria can establish themselves that quickly?

    Copyrights and stuff is crazy but I understand why people want to enforce it. When I'm citing papers for my classes I'm paranoid and cite like every word....well that's a exaggeration but I do cite a lot just in case.
     
  20. aakaakaak

    aakaakaak Superstar Fish

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2010
    Messages:
    1,324
    Likes Received:
    0
    Awesome Brian. Excellent to know.

    Prime+Stability=Yes
    Prime+TSS=Probably

    The addition of the fish is so the bacterial bloom (which you're likely to get) will have some ammonia to feed on. If you don't add fish or something else that adds ammonia the bacteria will die off in a couple days.

    I find it interesting to look at both quotes about the bacteria in a bottles. They're both claiming a unique technique that makes the bacteria inert (I.E. doesn't require refrigeration) until released into the water.

    ================================
    I once wrote a ten page paper that had over 20 references in the bibliography.
     
Want To Reply or Ask A Question?
Join our forum today (it's free!) in one easy step! Click Here To Join!





Share This Page

  • About Us

    MyFishTank.Net and the blogs, articles, comments and other features therein are for informational purposes only and provided "as is" without warranties, representations, or guarantees of any kind. Content on MyFishTank.Net should never be used as a substitute for advice from a qualified professional. MyFishTank.Net shall not be liable for the accuracy, usefulness or availability of any content, and you agree to hold MyFishTank.Net harmless from any loss, harm, injury or damage resulting from or arising out of your use of or reliance on any content. The views and opinions expressed in an article or column are the author's own and not necessarily those of MyFishTank.Net.
  • Quick Navigation

  • CHECK THIS OUT!