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I copied the following from another forum. One of the moderators wrote to Tetra and it is a copy of ...

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    I copied the following from another forum. One of the moderators wrote to Tetra and it is a copy of her letter, plus Tetra's response. BTW it is $21 at Petsmart

    TO: TetraCare Customer Care Team

    Hi
    I belong to an on-line forum and several questions come up about the use
    of SafeStart.
    The directions on the bottle aren't very clear.
    Many members have had luck with it but some haven't.
    We'd love to be able to answer questions about it's use.
    If you could send step by step instructions so that I may pass them on,
    it would be great.

    Some of the more popular questions are:
    Will conditioners that detox ammonia effect SafeStart?
    If so, how and why?

    Do you add water, conditioner, SafeStart and fish all at once or should
    you:
    a) Add fish, wait a day to add Tetra SafeStart?
    b) Add Tetra SafeStart wait a day to add fish?
    c) Do you add your full stock of fish at once or start off with just a
    few?

    If you've already added fish and have an ammonia reading, will Tetra
    SafeStart still be effective?

    At what ammonia reading will Tetra SafeStart still be effective.

    Is there too high of a reading that would render Tetra SafeStart
    ineffective?
    What would that reading be?

    Can it be refrigerated without harming the bacteria?

    After adding Tetra SafeStart:
    How soon should you test the water and why?
    (I've heard it said you'll get high ammonia readings if you test within
    10 days of adding TSS. Isn't that harmful to the fish? If not, why?)

    How soon should you do a water change after adding the product and why?

    Does TSS effect the pH?

    What is the key to the success or failure of Tetra SafeStart?

    I'm sorry, I know I have a lot of questions but the forums goal is the
    same as yours, happy healthy fish.

    I appreciate your taking the time to address my questions.
    Feel free to add any other information you think would be pertinent to
    the success or failure of SafeStart.

    Thank you!



    Hi there,

    Wow, lots of questions! All are pretty simple, and we get them a lot
    too. I'll suggest marketing address them on our website, next time they
    update it. Out of curiosity, what forum is it?

    So...where to begin? First, ideally you should set up the tank, and let
    it run at least 24 hours, then, shortly before you head off to the store
    for your first fish, add TSS to the tank. Within two hours, you should
    add the fish. Our normal recommendation is to add one small fish per
    ten gallons of water. However, you CAN fully stock the tank, you just
    need to keep a close eye on it, and be sure to not complicate matters by
    overfeeding as well. We recommend this method for African cichlid tanks
    since it is best to fully stock such a tank from the beginning due to
    territorial issues. For a novice fish-keeper, we'd recommend the one
    small fish per ten gallons rule for the first two weeks. Within two
    weeks, TSS should have fully cycled the tank and they can start slowly
    adding more fish, one at a time.

    In regards to ammonia products, yes, they kill TSS. Any type, whether a
    chloramines remover or detoxifier, etc, anything that says it locks up
    ammonia or removes ammonia. Do not add TSS for 24 hours after using
    such a product, and do not add such a product for at least 7 days after
    using TSS. The bacteria is housed in a special stabilized solution of
    ammonia, so if you remove/lock up the ammonia, you remove all of the
    food the bacteria require to live.

    If you already have fish, and are having an ammonia issue, it is best to
    get the ammonia levels down to below 4.0. 4.0 and higher is just as
    toxic to TSS as it is to fish. While 2.0 -3.5 PPM ammonia may harm some
    of the TSS bacteria, it should still have some effect. You may want to
    do a second dose several days after adding the first one, if you are not
    seeing the results you want. Keep in mind, these are bacteria, not a
    chemical, so results are slow to see. Give the product at least 5-7
    days.

    Best temperature for TSS is between 40 and 80 degrees. Freezing and
    extreme heat will destroy it. Refrigeration is okay, but not necessary.

    You can test the water any time, but really, you should probably wait at
    least 48 hours. We expect TSS to start slowly seeding the tank, and
    making a difference in about that time. You have to have some ammonia
    occur in the tank to provide the cycle needed, so it will usually create
    levels or reduce levels to around 1.0-1.5 ppm, and they should stay
    there for a week to 14 days, and then come down. Sorry, these levels
    would be for both ammonia and nitrite. These are considered stress, but
    not toxic, levels, and should not cause any long term damage to the
    fish.

    We recommend waiting two weeks before a water change. Of course, if for
    some reason, the levels go up to a high level again, we would recommend
    a change at that point, and another dose. Usually, the hobbyist has
    done something wrong the first time, in such cases.

    Nope, bacteria should not affect the pH.

    Hmmm....be sure the levels are not already toxic, shake the container
    thoroughly, be sure to add the right dosage, do not use an ammonia
    detoxifying product, and be patient. It won't give you zero readings in
    an hour, like some folks think. By the way, carbon does not affect it
    but uv lights do...we get those questions too. :-) And just an
    interesting point...the large aquariums, such as the Georgia Aquarium,
    and the Shedd Aquarium, as well as huge research labs in this country
    and other countries, also use TSS as well as the saltwater version Bio
    Spira.

    If I have not addressed all of your questions, please let me know.

    Regards,

    Tetra Care
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    thats informative...I personally refrigerate such products when i buy them.

    Credit goes to Lludu

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    I just want people to know that I happened to run across this on"Google" and thought it was good resource material because it had a source and it was also pretty straight forward if anyone was inclined to go that route.

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    Thyra can you please post the link to that?

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    yes you may want to include the author as well.

    Credit goes to Lludu

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    yes you may want to include the author as well.
    I want to repost the info on another site but want to get permission from the original author if possible.. Thanks

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    The point really is the response if from Tetra. The questions are from another forum and I came across the info on Google.

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    Sorry, maybe I am not saying it clearly. I wouldn't have copied it if it wasn't available on Google for everyone. I just happened to come across it when I was trying to find out more info about Tetra Save and I thought others might want a source for where the info came from. To me, it comes from the people who manufacture it and it seems to answer the questions ask. Its not copyright - its a source.

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    Thats awesome info Thyra, i may give it a try with my new tank
    5.5 gallon planted tank

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