Same Isssue Been a while What Now?

JRB__ · 11-04-2009, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by luv2fish35

.....nitrate 0.0......nitrite 0.0.

And I'm guessing your ammonia is around 6.0 - 8.0 ppm?
Your tank hasn't cycled, but I can't think of a reason why..

homebunnyj · 11-04-2009, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Newman

some of the readings confused me.
0ppm of what? (after the gh of 25)
You say that the GH is 25 dGH? or 25ppm GH?
It seems you mean that you have 180ppm KH...right?
The pH is mad high for neons, and blood fins, and maybe even the cory. I think the pleco can handle it.

Did you ever test your decorative pebbles with vinegar to get an idea on whether theyll raise your pH or not? (bubbling reaction to vinigar means dont use the pebles as they will raise the pH)

All that is well and good, but that is not what is killing the fish.

OP, why didn't you test for ammonia, since that's why your fish are dying? You need to test for ammonia every . single . day.

Newman · 11-04-2009, 04:26 PM

I was assuming that he had 0 ammonia, since he had a 0ppm of an unknown, unspecified factor in his satistics.

Like you said, if ammonia is present, forget all about pH, GH, and KH and all that. the ammonia and nitrites are the most deadly.

epond83 · 11-04-2009, 05:05 PM

If nirite and nitrates are zero i'm 99% sure that there is ammonia and enough to harm the fish

JRB__ · 11-05-2009, 01:56 AM

love2fish35 said that ammonia is still reading harmfully high in the original post. I'm assumin its 6.0 - 8.0ppm? since there aren't any nitrites yet... but the issue is... its been 2 months... why is this tank not cycling?

epond83 · 11-05-2009, 10:03 AM

So for some reason bacteria are not growing in an area that is wet and has lots of food... there has to be something in there that is killing or not letting them grow, usually it's chlorine from tap water.

Can you take some tank water to the store to get tested to make sure your results are correct?

Something that might help would be getting some media from a esablished tank. If you don't know anyone with a tank see if the fish store can give you some gravel out of one of there tanks.

Newman · 11-05-2009, 04:26 PM

OK, heres what i think. either bleach, soapy residue, or some other toxic (whether liquid of airborne stuff like windex) is entering the water and killing off the bacteria. in 2 months it should have cycled, provided there is a constant source of ammonia. or, check the filter, maybe you have your media packed too tight and water isnt flowing through it but around it. that would cause the sponge media to get mouldy, so check for mould.

bmoraski · 11-07-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Newman

OK, heres what i think. either bleach, soapy residue, or some other toxic (whether liquid of airborne stuff like windex) is entering the water and killing off the bacteria. in 2 months it should have cycled, provided there is a constant source of ammonia. or, check the filter, maybe you have your media packed too tight and water isnt flowing through it but around it. that would cause the sponge media to get mouldy, so check for mould.

you would be surprised what can get in your tank, even a covered tank.
i pulled out a hair from my daughter. im not kidding. she has long hair , and she brushes her hair in my den. she also would put spray in her hair. she does not do this anymore ! lol
and as Newman said check your filter media and such. and dont spray deodorant or air freshener by your tank.

luv2fish35 · 11-07-2009, 06:18 PM

Ok guys my ammonia is still at the dangerously high level of 8 and so far no other fish have died I do have a molly that is hanging at the top of the tank and i know she is probably on her way out. Maybe I need to buy the other water dechlorinator that u had recommended before buut I can't remember what it was. Maybe the one from walmart the Jungle brand isnt working...I plan on taking a sample of water tomorrow to the store and have them test it but what should I do from there?

Also another issue...I looked in my tank today and noticed my female guppy's tail is gone i can't tell what happened to it.. I don't have any tail nippers in the tank i dont think and no new fish were added so what do u think happened?

bmoraski · 11-07-2009, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv2fish35

Ok guys my ammonia is still at the dangerously high level of 8 and so far no other fish have died I do have a molly that is hanging at the top of the tank and i know she is probably on her way out. Maybe I need to buy the other water dechlorinator that u had recommended before buut I can't remember what it was. Maybe the one from walmart the Jungle brand isnt working...I plan on taking a sample of water tomorrow to the store and have them test it but what should I do from there?

Also another issue...I looked in my tank today and noticed my female guppy's tail is gone i can't tell what happened to it.. I don't have any tail nippers in the tank i dont think and no new fish were added so what do u think happened?

if your ammonia is at 8ppm i would recommend water changes every day.
using de-chlorinator.

11-04-2009, 04:26 PM	#23
Newman Super Fish Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Northern NJ Posts: 2,796	I was assuming that he had 0 ammonia, since he had a 0ppm of an unknown, unspecified factor in his satistics. Like you said, if ammonia is present, forget all about pH, GH, and KH and all that. the ammonia and nitrites are the most deadly. __________________ Credit goes to Lludu

11-05-2009, 01:56 AM	#25
JRB__ Little Fish Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 279	love2fish35 said that ammonia is still reading harmfully high in the original post. I'm assumin its 6.0 - 8.0ppm? since there aren't any nitrites yet... but the issue is... its been 2 months... why is this tank not cycling? __________________ ~ They call them fingers, but I've never seen them fing.. ~ 20 Gallon: Planted 5 Guppies 12 Neon Tetra 2 Otocinclus 5 Hockey Stick tetra Baby Blue acara 70 Gallon: Planted Cichlid Community 2 Peppermint Bristlenose 3 Clown Loach 110 Gallon: Lake Malawi Cichlid Community Banded Leporinus

11-05-2009, 04:26 PM	#27
Newman Super Fish Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Northern NJ Posts: 2,796	OK, heres what i think. either bleach, soapy residue, or some other toxic (whether liquid of airborne stuff like windex) is entering the water and killing off the bacteria. in 2 months it should have cycled, provided there is a constant source of ammonia. or, check the filter, maybe you have your media packed too tight and water isnt flowing through it but around it. that would cause the sponge media to get mouldy, so check for mould. __________________ Credit goes to Lludu

11-04-2009, 05:05 PM	#24
epond83 Medium Fish Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 470	If nirite and nitrates are zero i'm 99% sure that there is ammonia and enough to harm the fish

11-05-2009, 10:03 AM	#26
epond83 Medium Fish Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 470	So for some reason bacteria are not growing in an area that is wet and has lots of food... there has to be something in there that is killing or not letting them grow, usually it's chlorine from tap water. Can you take some tank water to the store to get tested to make sure your results are correct? Something that might help would be getting some media from a esablished tank. If you don't know anyone with a tank see if the fish store can give you some gravel out of one of there tanks.

11-07-2009, 06:18 PM	#29
luv2fish35 Teenie Weenie Fish Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Stuart, Florida Posts: 47	Ok guys my ammonia is still at the dangerously high level of 8 and so far no other fish have died I do have a molly that is hanging at the top of the tank and i know she is probably on her way out. Maybe I need to buy the other water dechlorinator that u had recommended before buut I can't remember what it was. Maybe the one from walmart the Jungle brand isnt working...I plan on taking a sample of water tomorrow to the store and have them test it but what should I do from there? Also another issue...I looked in my tank today and noticed my female guppy's tail is gone i can't tell what happened to it.. I don't have any tail nippers in the tank i dont think and no new fish were added so what do u think happened?