I just got a new tank... from guess where...

FroggyFox · 07-05-2009, 02:03 PM

I agree, I'd count them as 1 because they are clean little guys and really dont get very big. I've always done best when I had an odd number of them...no idea why lol

Instead of a centerpiece fish you might think about getting an otto or two at some point in the future for your cleanup crew? Probably not yet, wait until the tank is fully established and there's plenty of food for them.

You could also get some ghost shrimp...they're awesome

but you need to get at least a mesh lid, or those fold in half glass ones...something. You will pretty much always have a fish escape no matter what at some point...you can only do what you can. I had hatchetfish (notorious jumpers) in my 46 for awhile and one by one they found the ONE hole in the back and flew out.

Gojira · 07-05-2009, 11:50 PM

Froggyfox is right. You can do your best but usually fish that like to jump almost always 1 finds a way out eventually, whether it is a hole in the back of the lid or one day after feeding you forget to close the lid. But one of those glass lids that fold in half work well and are pretty cheap.

When it comes to your center peice fish i think i would do a Sailfin swordtail. I have always liked there big fins on there back. Also as FroggyFox said i think a couple of Ottos and some ghost shrimp do well. I also have always enjoyed watching the bamboo shrimp, you could probally fit 1 of those in there....

jo3olous · 07-06-2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by unwritten law

psh... I don't think you need a lid... even with a Betta... the fish jo names are related to freshwater sharks which all always jump...The neons and rasboras shouldn't jump at all and some live bearer or a Betta I think would be okay too....

I don't know why you wouldn't want a lid. Leaving the top of the tank open is like asking for something to fall in it, or fall out. Like I said, A LOT of fish are jumpers, not EVERY fish is known for it, but that doesn't make a fish incapable of jumping. No we do not expect neons to be jumpy at all, but it's not a known fact that they do not jump. I for one never said bettas are jumpy.

Plus having a lid (a solid one), keeps water in the tank giving you the benefit on not having to frequently top off the tank with more water. I have a mesh lid and have to frequently top it off with water

ValRasbora · 07-06-2009, 03:03 PM

I will look into lid prices and figure out what I'm going to do about lids. I will try to buy one, OK? Alright so how 'bout this...
7 neons (4 more)
7 harlequin rasboras (6 more)
1 swordtail (pineapple, neon or sailfin, depending on what my LFS has)
1 or 2 otos or maybe shrimp (bamboo or ghost... to be honest, I think shrimps look like bugs :P lol I'd rather some otos!!)
Thanks so much guys!

ValRasbora · 07-06-2009, 03:05 PM

BTW another good reason to buy an oto is since my tank is new (and looks new!!) I want it to look algae-free for quite a while!

thanks again... how many otos should I get if I get any? they grow 1.5 inch, right?

OrangeCones · 07-06-2009, 03:41 PM

In my experience, Otos do best in groups, 3 at a minimum. But, they do not do well in a newly established tank. They do best in a more mature, stable tank. Makes sure if you get them when you are ready to pick out those with round bellies, not sunken in. And make sure they ARE Otos. I've seen Chinese Algae Eaters and Flying Foxes mislabeled as Otos at LFS.

ValRasbora · 07-06-2009, 04:27 PM

Yeah, I'd wait a while before buying the otos, if I get any. Thanks Orange!

jo3olous · 07-07-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ValRasbora

I will look into lid prices and figure out what I'm going to do about lids. I will try to buy one, OK? Alright so how 'bout this...
7 neons (4 more)
7 harlequin rasboras (6 more)
1 swordtail (pineapple, neon or sailfin, depending on what my LFS has)
1 or 2 otos or maybe shrimp (bamboo or ghost... to be honest, I think shrimps look like bugs :P lol I'd rather some otos!!)
Thanks so much guys!

Try to buy one for yourself and your fish, not for me. I honestly don't care (no offense), just trying to provide you with proper information.

ValRasbora · 07-07-2009, 12:42 PM

Jo3...

I get how you think that I'm trying to shut you up... I'm not, honestly! I'm going to check out the prices on lids soon... I *DO* want a lid... I just don't want to pay for one

lol. I guess we all wish fish tanks where free sometimes... oh well. I can't wait 'till it's all set up, it should look great

!! Oh and no offense taken... I get how you don't care

lol

ValRasbora · 07-07-2009, 12:45 PM

And Swordtails are terrific jumpers... I used to have one in my 10g, it jumped just for fun, but never OUT

wouldn't want the 1 I buy (If I buy 1) to jump out.

07-05-2009, 02:03 PM	#21
FroggyFox Forum Manager Join Date: May 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 8,479	I agree, I'd count them as 1 because they are clean little guys and really dont get very big. I've always done best when I had an odd number of them...no idea why lol Instead of a centerpiece fish you might think about getting an otto or two at some point in the future for your cleanup crew? Probably not yet, wait until the tank is fully established and there's plenty of food for them. You could also get some ghost shrimp...they're awesome but you need to get at least a mesh lid, or those fold in half glass ones...something. You will pretty much always have a fish escape no matter what at some point...you can only do what you can. I had hatchetfish (notorious jumpers) in my 46 for awhile and one by one they found the ONE hole in the back and flew out. __________________ 29, 46 & 55FW 29 SW + dog + horse + catYou can view info & photos of my critters here...

07-06-2009, 03:03 PM	#24
ValRasbora Large Fish Join Date: May 2009 Location: Atlantic Canada Posts: 603	I will look into lid prices and figure out what I'm going to do about lids. I will try to buy one, OK? Alright so how 'bout this... 7 neons (4 more) 7 harlequin rasboras (6 more) 1 swordtail (pineapple, neon or sailfin, depending on what my LFS has) 1 or 2 otos or maybe shrimp (bamboo or ghost... to be honest, I think shrimps look like bugs :P lol I'd rather some otos!!) Thanks so much guys! __________________ Fish aren't boring like everyone says! 20 gallon planted swordtail, platy, neon tetra, harlequin rasbora, albino corydoras, otocinclus Betta bowl (heated) nothing so far. soon to do a 10g betta tank with betta imbellis. Work in progress !

07-06-2009, 03:05 PM	#25
ValRasbora Large Fish Join Date: May 2009 Location: Atlantic Canada Posts: 603	BTW another good reason to buy an oto is since my tank is new (and looks new!!) I want it to look algae-free for quite a while! thanks again... how many otos should I get if I get any? they grow 1.5 inch, right? __________________ Fish aren't boring like everyone says! 20 gallon planted swordtail, platy, neon tetra, harlequin rasbora, albino corydoras, otocinclus Betta bowl (heated) nothing so far. soon to do a 10g betta tank with betta imbellis. Work in progress !

07-06-2009, 04:27 PM	#27
ValRasbora Large Fish Join Date: May 2009 Location: Atlantic Canada Posts: 603	Yeah, I'd wait a while before buying the otos, if I get any. Thanks Orange! __________________ Fish aren't boring like everyone says! 20 gallon planted swordtail, platy, neon tetra, harlequin rasbora, albino corydoras, otocinclus Betta bowl (heated) nothing so far. soon to do a 10g betta tank with betta imbellis. Work in progress !

07-07-2009, 12:42 PM	#29
ValRasbora Large Fish Join Date: May 2009 Location: Atlantic Canada Posts: 603	Jo3... I get how you think that I'm trying to shut you up... I'm not, honestly! I'm going to check out the prices on lids soon... I DO want a lid... I just don't want to pay for one lol. I guess we all wish fish tanks where free sometimes... oh well. I can't wait 'till it's all set up, it should look great!! Oh and no offense taken... I get how you don't care lol __________________ Fish aren't boring like everyone says! 20 gallon planted swordtail, platy, neon tetra, harlequin rasbora, albino corydoras, otocinclus Betta bowl (heated) nothing so far. soon to do a 10g betta tank with betta imbellis. Work in progress !

07-05-2009, 11:50 PM	#22
Gojira Teenie Weenie Fish Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 6	Froggyfox is right. You can do your best but usually fish that like to jump almost always 1 finds a way out eventually, whether it is a hole in the back of the lid or one day after feeding you forget to close the lid. But one of those glass lids that fold in half work well and are pretty cheap. When it comes to your center peice fish i think i would do a Sailfin swordtail. I have always liked there big fins on there back. Also as FroggyFox said i think a couple of Ottos and some ghost shrimp do well. I also have always enjoyed watching the bamboo shrimp, you could probally fit 1 of those in there....

07-06-2009, 03:41 PM	#26
OrangeCones Large Fish Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: USA Posts: 983	In my experience, Otos do best in groups, 3 at a minimum. But, they do not do well in a newly established tank. They do best in a more mature, stable tank. Makes sure if you get them when you are ready to pick out those with round bellies, not sunken in. And make sure they ARE Otos. I've seen Chinese Algae Eaters and Flying Foxes mislabeled as Otos at LFS.

07-07-2009, 12:45 PM	#30
ValRasbora Large Fish Join Date: May 2009 Location: Atlantic Canada Posts: 603	And Swordtails are terrific jumpers... I used to have one in my 10g, it jumped just for fun, but never OUT wouldn't want the 1 I buy (If I buy 1) to jump out. __________________ Fish aren't boring like everyone says! 20 gallon planted swordtail, platy, neon tetra, harlequin rasbora, albino corydoras, otocinclus Betta bowl (heated) nothing so far. soon to do a 10g betta tank with betta imbellis. Work in progress !