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07-06-2008, 10:54 AM
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| | MFT Staff
Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Columbia, SC
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| I'd still say a 50gal + tank is needed for anything long term. They have the potential to reach 16 inches.
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07-06-2008, 10:56 AM
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| | Medium Fish
Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Illinois
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| The only needlenoses I've seen are silver. What variety is that?
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07-06-2008, 11:10 AM
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| Probably still a needlenose gar. They have a reflective silver body.
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07-06-2008, 03:02 PM
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| | Teenie Weenie Fish
Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Vidor, Texas
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| i agree, if your keepin any kind of gar, you'll need a good sized tank.
thanks a ton for all the info guys, yall gave me just what i needed to know, as usual 
__________________ 29 gallon
1 male convict, 1 female convict(breeding pair), about 50 babys, 1 albina chocolate plecos
no plants, about to give away convicts and turn over custody of tank to my girlfriend.
20 gallon
1 or 2 african leaf fish(they dissapear)  , 1 striped peacock eel, 1 rapheal catfish, 1 rubberlipped plecos, 2 convict fry, meant as feeders never eaten |
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07-07-2008, 06:43 PM
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| | Little Fish
Join Date: May 2008 Location: Memphis, TN
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| Had one in a twenty with a catfish of some type. He jumped out, so I'd say keep a tight lid on them. Also, they will eat anything and everything. When we caught him (yeah I know, bad... But they're considered pests where we caught him so he'd just be killed anyhow... Painfuly.) we decided to leave him in my little 10 with cardinal tetra... o_o; He ate all but one, which hid in the castle and was paranoid for the rest of it's life. (It lived longer than the gar amazingly.)
Then we put him in with the catfish (I can't remember what kind it was) and they kinna got along... The damn gar could go from one side to the other in under 1 second. He was small too...
Then the catfish caused him to jump and he dried up on the floor (it happened at night. He jumped out where the HOB hung on) |
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07-07-2008, 09:08 PM
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| | Teenie Weenie Fish
Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Vidor, Texas
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| yea, ive heard that they can be pretty crazy jumpers, and ive seen videos of them bein fed, and i have to agree, theyre darn fast
__________________ 29 gallon
1 male convict, 1 female convict(breeding pair), about 50 babys, 1 albina chocolate plecos
no plants, about to give away convicts and turn over custody of tank to my girlfriend.
20 gallon
1 or 2 african leaf fish(they dissapear)  , 1 striped peacock eel, 1 rapheal catfish, 1 rubberlipped plecos, 2 convict fry, meant as feeders never eaten |
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07-08-2008, 09:19 PM
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| | Super Fish
Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: On my office chair playing Runescape
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| Umm Needlenoses are NOT true gars. They need constant feeding and require at LEAST a 40 breeder for bioload reasons.
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07-08-2008, 09:40 PM
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| But they are still named as such. Gar = Spear in old English, and they fit that description. I think the size of the tank is determined by their size and swimming ability rather then bioload. If you don't throw tons of feeders in there constantly the bioload won't be high. Feed them when needed, they will eat it all guaranteed.
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07-08-2008, 09:44 PM
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| | Teenie Weenie Fish
Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Vidor, Texas
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| yea from what ive seen, alligator gar and the likes(true gar) can live in some pretty polluted, low oxygen waters.
__________________ 29 gallon
1 male convict, 1 female convict(breeding pair), about 50 babys, 1 albina chocolate plecos
no plants, about to give away convicts and turn over custody of tank to my girlfriend.
20 gallon
1 or 2 african leaf fish(they dissapear)  , 1 striped peacock eel, 1 rapheal catfish, 1 rubberlipped plecos, 2 convict fry, meant as feeders never eaten |
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