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one of my male mollys has a clear bubble growing out of his body. What in the world could this ...

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    one of my male mollys has a clear bubble growing out of his body. What in the world could this be?

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    Ok, from what I'm reading on Google, this is gas bubble disease. I DID do a larger than normal water change on Sunday because there was so much debris in the rocks and I wanted to vacuum out as much as possible. In addition, when I was pouring the water back in, rather than doing it in 3 large bucket fulls like I normally would, I did it in 6 half-filled buckets (I had a back injury). Could that be what caused this? What do I do to relieve him of this? I have quite a bit of aeration in the tank right now...one large air stone stick, one smaller stone, and an air pump that's pretty powerful. I read to turn the lights off in the tank, so I'm going to do that. Should I add stress coat?

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    I was under the impression "real" gas bubble disease was bacterial in origin. As opposed to an embolism, but I'm prepared to be wrong on that.

    Either way, I truly doubt your water change or air stones would have done this. Under SATP water has a specific limit on how much gas can be disolved, surface movement allows for gas exchange and keeps everything in equilibrium.

    I would keep a close eye on him, and leave it be for the time being. It very well may go away on its own. That said *perhaps* a small dose of aquarium salt just to help with any possible secondary infection. First though, what other fish are in the tank? And how big is the tank?

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    It's a 55-gal tank with:

    1 Chinese algae eater
    2 iridescent sharks
    1 rainbow shark
    1 albino rainbow shark
    2 mollys
    1 pleco

    Note: I already have been told about the hazards of having multiple sharks and iridescent sharks (whenever I post what fish I have, I am lectured on this), but I just want to point out that I inherited this tank; I did not choose the fish in it, and the previous owner did not know anything about fish obviously or they wouldn't have combined the above fish---however having said all that, they all get along just fine....*really*

    Regarding Gas Bubble Disease, from what I read, it is caused by over saturation of gasses in the tank, caused by changing too much water at once, or dropping it in a tank in a certain way (causing lots of bubbles)?? I always thought this was a *good* think to do for extra aeration, so I could very well have exacerbated the problem just by how I replaced the water.....of course all of this I am just guessing and assuming from the snippets I've read on the net today. I'd really love to hear from someone who has experienced this before.

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    Here this should help some.

    Gas Bubble Disease

    Gas bubble disease is not caused merely by air bubbles in the water, as the name might lead you to believe. It is caused by oversaturation of dissolved nitrogen gas in the water. Standard airstones and water changes don't harm fish by putting bubbles in the water. Pump, fountain or filter failure, increased temperature or excessive aeration, however, could result in this sometimes fatal occurance.

    It is similar to when a scuba diver rises up from deep water too fast, and the change in pressure causes the "bends." The water (in this example, that which is within the bloodstream) is forced to contain more gas than it can normally hold, which causes supersaturation. When this difference between gas pressures occurs, the gas seperates too quickly out of the bloodstream, leaving gas bubbles behind.

    Symptoms:
    Fish affected by gas bubble disease may have visible bubbles under their skin/scales, or in their eyes. Or they may simply act sick if the problem is internal where you can't see it.

    Solutions:
    Stirring up the water may help hasten the degassing of the water a bit, but it doesn't do much for your fish at all. Examine equipment: if you have a submersible pump, be sure it's not sucking in air: be sure it's covered sufficiently with water. Equipment that is pulling air in with the water will cause problems. Lights should be left off to minimize stress. If you see alot of bubbles that have already popped, consider adding a general antibiotic to guard against secondary infection.

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    Also on an off topic subject, all you gotta do is find a Local fish store and they will take those extra sharks off your hands and find them a good home. It's very unhealthy for your fish to live under the stress and they will start developing issues that will lead to death =( and no one wants that. anywho, hope my article helped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnyaGirl View Post
    It's a 55-gal tank with:

    1 Chinese algae eater
    2 iridescent sharks
    1 rainbow shark
    1 albino rainbow shark
    2 mollys
    1 pleco

    Note: I already have been told about the hazards of having multiple sharks and iridescent sharks (whenever I post what fish I have, I am lectured on this), but I just want to point out that I inherited this tank; I did not choose the fish in it, and the previous owner did not know anything about fish obviously or they wouldn't have combined the above fish---however having said all that, they all get along just fine....*really*

    Regarding Gas Bubble Disease, from what I read, it is caused by over saturation of gasses in the tank, caused by changing too much water at once, or dropping it in a tank in a certain way (causing lots of bubbles)?? I always thought this was a *good* think to do for extra aeration, so I could very well have exacerbated the problem just by how I replaced the water.....of course all of this I am just guessing and assuming from the snippets I've read on the net today. I'd really love to hear from someone who has experienced this before.
    we all know you just inherited the tank and the stocking is not your fault, but i don't think you have any knowledge or enough to say "they get along just fine" I HIGHLY doubt that's the case. Also, when you do get funky problems with the tank and issues rarely seen or not even seen before, a lot of it has to do with improper stocking and such, which is why making sure everything is done the right way is important, so that it lowers tank/fish problems, and the only problems you will get are more common, easy to solve.

    No one can force you to change your tank stock, but when you start getting more and more tank issues we will either be unable to help you, be less inclined to help you, etc. etc.

    Proper fish keeping has it's merits and bonuses, whereas improper fishkeeping will usually come along with troubles, sometimes you get lucky.

    As for the current problem you have, seems alkiazer has provided you with some really good info, hope it helps
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    Just to make sure, is there any way you could post a picture?

    The point I was trying to make before was that to get the conditions in a tank that would cause super-saturation of disolved gasses *should* be extremely unlikely in most aquariums. Normally it involves low temp's and high pressures.

    Here's a link showing what I mean: Oxygen Solubility in Fresh and Sea Water
    While it is Oxygen as opposed to nitrogen it does get the point across. There is also this: Air Solubility in Water
    but there's more math there than I feel like working out right now .

    Now I do have one other thought, did you use cold water straight out of the tap? if it hadn't had a chance to equalize, super-saturated water *could* be a possability.

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    Chris- Thank you for your post. The water was straight out of the tap, but it was 74 degrees and I put Prime in it before dumping it in the tank. I'm working on getting a pic.

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    Off topic again, I just wanted to post this so you would know before anything happens. This is what happens when u pair a red tail with something you shouldn't, I know yours is albino but they are the same as the black ones. this will most likely be the type of behavior you will start seeing once the sharks start maturing they will fight amongst each other like this, especially the Chinese algae eater, rainbow shark, and the Albino red tail.

    Heres some videos I found on You-Tube

    YouTube - red tailed shark and chianese algae eater fighting

    YouTube - My red tail shark And My Rainbow Shark 2009

    Try and take care of your stocking asap. I promise you will have a happier community.

    Once again here is a good Comparison guide for you

    Freshwater Fish Compatibility Chart: Avoid Incompatible Species
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    Ok I managed to get a couple pics. As clear as i could.



    See the spot that looks white on his side behind his fin? That's the bubble...it is about the size of a pea. The closest thing I can think of to describe it is, you know those bubble eyed fish? It looks exactly like that, but growing out of his side.

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